Being too successful can be a bad thing.....? Saturday, April 12, 2008

Single Ma posted an interesting link about women being too successful to find mates.

And it's an interesting dilemma.

Basically the issue is that they're saying that intelligent, ambitious, financially-secure, gorgeous, well-rounded, educated women are finding it hard to find a man.

At first I read this and went: WHAAAAAAAAT?

But then I thought more about it, and realized it was true. It's just always been this way, but men like to be with a woman who's either at their level of social and financial status, or lower than them.

It makes them feel more like a man I guess. The guy who brings home the bacon, and has something to contribute because let's face it, biologically, only women can bear children.

This means the guys can HELP with the process, but we carry the babies for 9 months, we deal with the sickness, the pain of childbirth, etc, and they might feel a wee bit inadequate in the scheme of everything, which is why they bring home the bacon to support the family.

But if the woman bears the children, brings home the bacon and fries it as well, many men are saying that they feel inadequate, asking themselves: if she can do it all, why would she need me?

Uhh.. For companionship? Love? Respect? Fun times? Support?

Women may be able to do everything but they aren't inhuman. They need help too, and support, and there's nothing better than having a partner to support you and give you the love that you need to make it through the day.

So back to the whole idea of these alpha females who can't seem to find a guy.

First, what I really have to wonder if it's an issue with the women. Why does it seem like it's the woman's fault to be ambitious, well-off and successful? All the articles I read kind of hint at that (maybe not so much this one), but it's like it's their fault for being too good to be true.

Second, the guys, psychologically have an issue with them being too successful as well. So it's a two-way street in my mind.

Third, the pool of potential mates in terms of having equal social and financial status is quite small at this level. There aren't enough men (uhh, single available men that is) out there who have reached that level of success in their career who don't already have a woman who's on a "lower" hierarchy (sorry, no other way to put it) in their life.

Fourth, if the woman works crazy hours to keep at that level, and the man she wants does the same...you end up with the issue like on Cashmere Mafia with Zoe and her husband not really being able to even schedule in time for their own ANNIVERSARY.



Something has to give, and it's usually the woman. But does it have to be that way all the time? Can men get over the idea of the wifey bringing home and the bacon and being available to cook it for her?

Readers, what do you think?

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Optimistic Heathen said...

Yes! Amen, sister! I am often lamenting this myself, even being told by many people to 'dumb down' if I ever hope to find a mate. Fuck all, I say. Eventually, these boys are going to put two and two together and realize that it can be a great thing to be with a strong, intelligent and financially successful woman. I will now get down from my soap box.

Secretista said...

Story of my life so far. I hope I don't run into an issue of trying to schedule and anniversary when I get older. But, let's face it, we women have to work twice as harder to prove ourselves.

Fabulously Broke said...

Optimistic: HEAR HEAR :) Besides he isn't man enough if he can't be secure in himself to be proud of a great gf

Secretista: That's true.. but that's because there are women out there who are smart, but act dumb :P :P to get a guy

Auburn Kat said...

The truth of the matter is I wouldn't want to be with a man who couldn't accept I made more money than them!

Fabulously Broke said...

Auburn: It would get pretty frustrating.. but I think even if you were the breadwinner, they'd feel threatened and you'd feel resentful

Ginger said...

I whole-heartedly agree!

It's been the story of my life so far, hence the lack of dates. The few guys who seem to be ok with me being an uber-woman I end up not liking because they're not enough like me. Go figure! No wimps for Ginger, no siree!

I've done some "social experiments" if you will: I've been myself and gotten very few results, but the second I turn into the helpless yet flirty female, I seem to get a lot more attention.

There's nothing wrong with needing help and being feminine, but why does it have to be the major facet in our personalities in order to snag a man? I just don't get it.

singlebrokefemale said...

I'm afraid to say this is the story of my life! I am very independent and, while guys find it an attractive quality initially, after a couple of months they start to resent the fact that I can deal with most things on my own and they start to feel like they aren't needed. It's so ridiculous, just because I'm independent doesn't mean that there is no room for a guy in my life, I just need to find one who is accepting of the fact that girls can be independent and a good girlfriend and it shouldn't be seen as a threat to them that we don't need them to do everthing for us!

Living Almost Large said...

I am going to be the sole dissenter. I can do everything on my own, have done it, and will do it. I do most of my DH's stuff too and yet he worships me. Why?

Because I had no qualifications for meeting a mate when I met him. Well cuteness, fun, and sexiness.

But seriously I am pretty well educated, and have mostly successful girlfriends. The married ones who are doctors, lawyers, engineers, business women? What's the common theme?

All of them didn't look for necessarily men who had as much education, money, social status. They looked for people. So what they ended up with were men who were happy to be with them.

Those who are still single? Have way to many "requirement". Must have graduate degree, making $xxx, be so tall, so cute, drive etc.

There are many men out there who would be happy to be with independent, successful women. But do those women want to be with them?

Ever watch Drew Barrymore in Fever Pitch? She was like "he's only a teacher!" I wanted to smack her. Turns out, she found happiness with a teacher instead of the i-banker, doctor, lawyer, etc. Hmmm...

And if you read the article, it even shows the successful single gal saying she was "X, Y, and Z". Do you find successful men putting the same restrictions? Or are they satisfied with "lower" hierarchy women?

I am sorry but I think that's what takes the cake. Saying the men are satisfied with Lower "hierarchy" women but it can't be reversed.

And my married friends who are successful, one doctor married a school teacher, laywer with engineer, lawyer with self-employed, businesswoman with accountant, accountant with sales, etc. It's been a huge mix.

So I do feel there are tons of men out there, but with "X, Y, AND Z?" Well if men can settle with "lower" hierarchy women why can't women settle as well?

cybill said...

But, sometimes if the man doesn't earn as much as the woman, all her friends and family consider him a "sponger" or marrying for money. Also I don't think not finding a partner can be put down to any one single (pun intended) thing - it's always lots of things.

Fabulously Broke said...

ginger: I have no idea why, but it probably has something to do with what men expect, and what women expect men to expect..

singlebrokefemale: We're just human. Everyone needs someone

Living: You're totally the sole woman voice on this. I don't think many women have a problem with doing what you do.. it's just the way guys see it

but your DH isn't lazy either - he's going back to school so it's not like he just sat around and twiddled his thumbs all day

And I COMPLETELY agree with your assessment about finding a man who just loved to be with them and not having any such set 'filters' like what you've listed there

women should totally settle and it's not just the guy's fault - you made some really good points

cybill: So it's just preconceptions and misconceptions in general that are holding people back then

no guy wants to be looked down upon that's for sure

Living Almost Large said...

Problem is that you've categorized them as lower heirarchy women. And what about lower heirarchy men?

Where do they fit in society? After watching Fever Pitch, Drew Barrymore's one friend said date the teacher, the other friend said he's got a small bank account.

So THERE is societal pressure to marry someone making $$$. But sometimes the road to happiness is not equivalent.

But in that article all the single women were looking for rich, successful, super educated men. And you said many were taken by less hierarchy women. So why not settle for less hierarchy men?

daphne said...

I guess I am going to sound sexist or something. But what is wrong with acting girly? I mean, being succesful and being feminine are two different things. There is nothing wrong with relying on the man for certain things to "boost up his ego," such as consulting him when you have a problem, if you don't like his points, just don't follow along, but just make him feel appreciated. Also, I think people should just marry someone who is similiar to them, or someone that UNDERSTANDS them. Sometimes, marrying too far from your own social status makes it awkward for both of you, because once you get to the point of marriage, it's not just between two people, you have to think about both of your respective families (whether you want to or not). So dating is different from marriage.
So that was a really long rant, but I think there should just be more respect between the two people in a relationship and everything works out.

Fabulously Broke said...

Living: because you always get the jibe about him being lazy, or not as powerful as his 'woman'

And women in general, DON'T want to marry "down"... they did studies on this and it's a social/cultural thing where women want their equals or to marry up

And the women at the top get screwed because they feel like they can't marry "down".. which is total BS but... it's what they've found as the majority

Daphne: If only it were that easy lol :)

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